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The second Russian stamp seems to be Russian Empire 1909 Coat of Arms.
I had to search on the value to find it and this is how you become a stamp detective but the guys in here have libraries better than mine lol.
The significant thing about this is when I first said to you about Stanley Gibbons catalogues, sometimes you go into specialisms which means you need a more detailed Catalogue. From what I saw most give American Scott Cat numbers, so yes its a bit of a headache without the library to get things like values.
I hope this at least gets you interested in the stamp world.
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O.K when I read inverted crown I was a bit stumped but I think I know now what is meant. I was looking at the crown on the front but I should have known better to understand its the watermark your Nan was referring too.
"Inverted" is when a watermark which is in the paper is upside down/reversed to the front design of the stamp! Watermarks is a subject within stamp collecting some make a fuss about and others don't unless of course it effects the value of the stamp significantly. The way to seeing a watermark depends of the thickness of paper really but can be seen if held to a bright light, sometimes its really difficult, sometimes its easy. There are a number of tools that this can be used with seeing these as well. If you make a proper thread as I said before one of the knowledgeable guys maybe able to give you a Catalogue value but watermarks is one of these things why you need to see the stamp unless you know what your talking about in the first place.
As you will see from the link I mentioned earlier there are watermarks given and you would be looking for watermark 168? Watermarks also do not come in description within simplified Catalogues these are usually specialized so these are all the things which make a stamp special.
Your 1883 stamp is not in great condition, the top left of the stamp is damaged, the perfing around the edge is damaged, there is discolouration to the top of the stamp, crown, which may suggest the stamp was hinged at some point, these are little bits of sticky gummed paper people use to stick stamps into albums with, sometimes the glue comes right through to the front of the stamp if thin paper!
So as you investigate this one stamp we can see a variety of things which make a stamp valuable or not. You can also see that the print of the stamp is also shifted away from the left to the right side of the stamp, meaning the gap between the perf of left side is bigger than the right side? So the printed border of the stamp right side is right on the perf edge. The same said top and bottom.
So these are good examples you have put into your online album to give you an indication as to how hard it is to make a valuation on someones inherited collection. It is a minefield and here is another thing, a general auction house will not generally be aware of these type things to make a valuation you will be looking for a philatelic auction house which is a big difference.
So going back to your original question, this is why a stamp club is best to seek for advice. There is no escape from the fact as you have just seen from these two Russian stamps just how a stamp can alter from a mundane stamp into a gem or not.
So for a proper assessment on these two stamps unless the guys are looking already, click on the forums tab, look down to world collecting and click on that and start a thread say "1883 Russian Empire, inverted watermark?"
If you post both stamp pictures under the same heading, you can put a little heading within the post "suspected 1909 15k coat of arms"
If your really stumped with a stamp just make a post thread under World collecting or specialisms with a title "Can you help Identify this stamp" and within a day or two you should find you will get an answer, there are some great people in here who know there stuff and will give you pointers as to internet sites to research.
Auction sites (Ebay) are a great way to do this as you will see pictures of stamps that you can then identify yours too. Google you need a certain amount of info in the first place to get results.
When using Cats these prices tend to be over inflated, when using the internet sites you need to see items sold and not what people are asking as a guide?
And thus there you have it, the impossible reasons as to why a stamp collection can never be valued just like that.
I went on a site with regard your 1883 stamp and there was a person selling a complete set of these (8 values?) in blocks of 4, in mint condition and they wanted 1500
Your Russian blue, rare inverted MINT condition CERTIFIED reached $2000 in auction
There's always the but and in your case its the condition of the stamp, if these are rare however then not all is lost, the stamp would just need to be verified. However you do sort of need a Catalogue value and info before starting getting excited lol lol. A lot of what I am doing is as a novice, I could well be talking rubbish (always prepare to hold my hands up in honesty). However if the $2000 is true, you can halve that figure straight away and then again, and then taking everything into account of what I have said and we come back to ground with a thump because that if everything said is true, makes your stamp worth $200 or £150 maybe less, whether you would get that would remain to be seen. Not bad for one stamp in a collection though!!!
|Kevin Leary||23/11/2020 20:13:01|
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Hi, just joined this site and quite amazed how long it is since anyone posted on here, 3 years since a newbie ? To introduce myself I am retired and probably quite typical of a few people who have rediscovered stamps during the crazy lockdown that we have experienced. I can't explain how satisfying browsing through a few albums and loose stamps has been in recent months. Like most I collected stamps as a boy and learned so much about geography that has enriched my life by instilling curiousity about the wider world from a humble background,long before the internet my grandsons take for granted. Whilst working in the middle east I tinkered with stamps and bought a couple of boxes/albums at auction but they have languished in the spare room until recently.
As a novice,despite my age, I am in awe of some of the detail that now surrounds the hobby and shy of committing to much more until i feel less likely to make a fool of myself. My "collection" is 8-9 albums,mixed with older and newish stamps from across the world,fascinated with countries that are now long gone but enjoy the wider world appeal too. I am sure to ask a question or two that can be dismissed easily but do ask that any posters refrain from the smug and patronising replies that say more about themselves than me,thanks
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Welcome to the forum, Kevin.
Sadly, the glory days of the forum seem to have passed but there are still a few regulars who pop in from time to time.
Feel free to post any questions, you're bound to receive a reply...eventually.
Seriously though, don't feel shy about asking questions. All collectors started as novices and most forum members are more than happy to share whatever knowledge they may have. Back in the early days of the forum I learnt quite a lot about philately in this way. Hopefully, in time, we may return to having a vibrant and active forum.
|Paul Davey 1||24/11/2020 08:31:54|
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Welcome back to the hobby Kevin!
We always try to help a newcomer and answer their questions. We all have our own collecting interests and areas. Some for a country or part of a country (geographically or in time). Some for a theme (or topic or motif). The latest collecting area seems to be stamps, postal stationery and postal history to do with Covid.
Many these days collect postal history, items of mail that have gone through the post. One of my areas for example is the postal history of the county of Kent and in particular Gravesend, the town of my birth. This stretches from the sixteenth century to modern times and is something which is of interest to local non-collectors too. (See Gravesend for further details). You could do the same for anywhere!
For me the one thing missing from the hobby at the moment is the social side. I enjoy going to see material at club meetings and stamp fairs and talking to fellow collectors. Zoom can only replace so much! Let us hope things return to normal soon!
So collect what interests you, however you want & try and get the grandsons involved too!
Edited By Paul Davey 1 on 24/11/2020 08:33:33
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Good to see you and welcome to us, I had a recent break from Stamps for some while but am trying to make the making of articles alive.
So hope to see some articles with your Stamp collecting choices.
|Kevin Leary||24/11/2020 18:54:13|
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Thanks for your replies,any courtesy is appreciated. I am currently trawling through a box bought at a local auction that has 60-80 addressed letters to/from a Polish guy who clearly came to UK after Germany invaded and had links to the RAF base up in Caithness. No trace of him fighting on the Polish register.Obviously a multitude of loose stamps and attached with letters in Polish but the enjoyment for me just now is trying to piece together a history of a man/couple living in UK from 1941 through to recent times in Rochdale with family elsewhere in Switzerland ,etc. One piece of paper has stamps from Mexico with the attached number of the censor checking onward mail via New York in late 1943 ! This hobby has been a godsend during Lockdown and I am certain our hobby would have a wider appeal for this alone,take care and thanks again
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Maybe if you can get some time stick a few pictures up, would be great seeing some it? Have you ever lost something then seen it elsewhere?
I was going to move home 2008/9 but my buyer dropped out and the biggest bank credit scam of the history happened. Well I started to shift my things out of my house into a friends house. So as everything was a mess I left boxes of Coins and Stamps down there, everything else just went up in the attic here nothing like that though.
Well not to long ago I got a phone call from my friend saying she was going to move again a nd what should she do with these boxes of Stamps and Coins, well there was nothing that could be done, I had no one to get me there and back, it was far to many boxes and the weight would be so heavy and also it was such short notice I just said let it go and take it to an auction house.
Tonight I was doing some work on Ebay and was shocked to see a collection of Royal Wedding stamps FDC's, I wont swear but "THATS MINE!!!!" lol I'm glad I'm a Christian is all I can say, The person selling it had obviously ran sacked it because there was double if not treble the content missing and I know it was mine because I did not sell my doubles so I put them with the existing covers so you can begin to wonder what was in it, Gutted is not the word and what is worse the coins that were down there as well, ALL SILVER collections and that goes way back before my Stamp collecting geez. I think the worst part about it is, I am not deceased and have seen what happens to "I have just inherited", you really just have to laugh, I can just hear what the Auction house said to my friend as she would know no wiser, as when I asked to what I left down there and the answer was "I don't know, Coins and Stamps" lol.
Someone has made a killing out of the stuff that was down there. I know my Stanley Gibbons sets were down there and that was 6 folders and it had tons of extra variants in with them that I mounted and left comments under them, especially Guyana, There was pages of errors, wrong OP and many other Countries of significance the same. Not to mention fakes and illegals lol lol my favourite subject.
Praise be the Lord coz I cant take it with me.
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