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Chazz Broadhurst20/11/2019 21:51:40
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Well, that's why I brought up the subject on here, to find someone like that. As for studying the stamps more diligently, I think most people see Stanley Gibbons as the Bible of all things GB, and if they haven't mentioned anything in the last -70?- years, then there's nothing to see and people simply gloss over the stamp issue without giving it much thought.


Fred Sellars20/11/2019 21:59:57
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I'm certainly in agreement with you there Chazz !

Keep up the good work, regards, Fred

Fred Sellars28/11/2019 22:35:27
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img_20191128_212144.jpgimg_20191128_211858.jpgGood evening Chazz,

Being of a curious nature, I decided to purchase 20 of the cheaper version of the 4d value as a strip of 10x2 from the right centre to the bottom of the sheet and took three separate scans of the top 18 .

As unmounted mint there is no disputing postmark interference or staining, and as you stated there appears to be a multitude of slight variations to the Thistle head as can be seen .

I previously stated that due to the many variations in evidence,the catalogue was unable to identify which was the variety, and therefore never listed them ( a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth ( 57 varieties)) .

For anyone purchasing the specialised catalogue I do feel that some kind of reference should be made in the future to clarify this and also the other values that you found .

PS another little feature I have just noticed in the scan below is the middle left stamp, the last dot over the crown appears to be hollow .


Edited By Fred Sellars on 28/11/2019 23:00:06

Chazz Broadhurst29/11/2019 12:05:09
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Hi Fred - thanks for that post, and it certainly shows what I was expecting, that there are many variations to the thistle within the sheet - not just the ones I posted, but intermediate versions as well (as you say, perhaps too many to quote). A friend also sent me an entry on Ebay which further emphasises this -

I suppose all I want in the end is for Gibbons to somehow relate to this.


ps. now I'll have to go and look for that dot on the crown, sigh, no rest for the wicked....

Fred Sellars29/11/2019 12:46:15
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Look no further Chazz, as after further inspection of the dot on the crown, I have found that under the magnifying glass it does not exist, this anomaly may have occurred when the picture sharpness adjustment was made 🧐🤭

The wicked can now rest, however,I am in agreement with your other comment that the Thistles do need a mention in the 🐈 .

TTFN regards,Fred.

Fred Sellars30/11/2019 10:20:24
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Good morning Chazz,

Since yesterday I have looked at these stamps and have found one particular stamp of interest, it's not just the thistles but several other variations of note .

The variations are only minor but there are three on one particular stamp, they are as follows marked with a red arrow and a number :-

1) There is a small extension line within the circle under the cross of the crown

2) The line is broken leaving a single dot in its place

3) 2 small dots above the e of postage ( one very small and the other is larger )

Plus there is also the difference in the thistle head found by yourself

I could not find a repetition of the above on any of the other stamps coming to the conclusion that this may be variety not previously noticed before, it's position in the sheet would be R11/8 .

As this was a single purchase recently made I cannot confirm, but other collectors may be able to help to resolve my findings .



Edited By Fred Sellars on 30/11/2019 10:24:44

Fred Sellars15/12/2019 20:10:15
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Good evening Chazz,

Just for the record...... Did you know, that when these stamps were first issued way back in November 1938, 4d would now be the equivalent of £1.08 in today's money taking into account inflation over the years, I purchased the 20 unmounted stamps for a measly £2, not bad when you realise the face value of the stamps in real terms (inflation taken into consideration) was £21.60, at today's prices they are a bargain an even cheaper than chips 🍟 as the saying goes.

I hope you are having further progress with the thistles that you discovered, in the meantime have a nice Christmas, regards, Fred

Edited By Fred Sellars on 15/12/2019 20:12:44

Fred Sellars16/12/2019 07:15:22
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In my last posting I referred to the stamps being cheaper than chips due to the fact that a portion of chips in 1948 cost 3d, you could buy fish and chips for the princely sum of 10d, WOW ! How times have changed, and not always for the better.

TTFN, Fred.

Fred Sellars03/02/2020 12:34:36
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Good afternoon Chazz,

How's the situation going on with regards to the various thistles that you have discovered ?

Maybe you should contact SG (the fountainhead) over this prickly situation and let us know the eventual outcome .

Just a thought !

Regards, Fred.

Fred Sellars28/02/2020 11:02:40
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Good morning Chazz,

Further to my last contact with you, have you had any success ?

A further suggestion would be to contact the Royal Philatelic Society in London, their email address is, as I am sure they will be able to help you .

Again, let us know outcome .

Have a nice day, Fred.

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