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GVI defin differences

SG doesn't seem to notice this...

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Chazz Broadhurst18/11/2019 09:34:28
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gvi_5#.jpgWhen I began collecting, the accepted mantra was that if there was any difference between two superficially identical stamps, then they were actualyl two collectable items (eg. scales on a dolphin on a GV halfpenny, or the number of lines over GV's head on a 2d orange).

While looking closely at my GVI defins (does anyone look closely, because they're all the same, aren't they?) I noticed differences in the top right-hand corner of the light background stamps, ie. the 4d, 5d and 6d. SG. doesn't mention this in my (ancient) catalogue, but I wondered if it merited an actual entry? At the very least for me it is collectable because the two are noticeably different. What do others think?


Edited By Chazz Broadhurst on 18/11/2019 09:36:16

Fred Sellars18/11/2019 10:28:15
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A clearer scan without the mounts would have been more appropriate Chazz, but there does appear to be a definite difference in the top section of the thistles in question .

A close up view with the stamps overlapping would give better detail .

Nice one !


Chazz Broadhurst18/11/2019 14:31:04
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Thanks for the quick reply, Fred.

As regards the stamps, I suppose I would need whole sheets to find out where and how often this occurs. I thought at first that it might have something to do with the change of colour in the lower values, but the fact I've got a 4d grey-green from the original colours and also 4d light ultramarine from the much later versions probably puts paid to that theory.


ps. you're right, I'm not much of a whizz with the camera...

Chazz Broadhurst19/11/2019 08:01:24
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Perhaps this pic is better?


Fred Sellars19/11/2019 09:10:06
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img_20191026_140513.jpgGood morning Chazz,

From your new scan with overlaps it is now easier to compare any differences .

Not only does there seem to be a difference in the upper section of the thistles but also the background of the profile has a different shading when comparing like-for-like .

It's quite possible that you may have found something that has been overlooked in the past, similar to my findings with regards to the multiple crown Wilding papers .


Edited By Fred Sellars on 19/11/2019 09:11:42

Edited By Fred Sellars on 19/11/2019 09:21:27

Fred Sellars20/11/2019 16:15:08
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Good afternoon Chazz,

I too to have an ancient copy of the SG specialised catalogue like you and cannot find any documentation relating to the differences discovered by you on the thistles that you have found .

It's quite possible that this variety is only once per sheet or it maybe otherwise, as a re-cut plate, in which case they only come from a specific printing, I think the former is most likely due to the time span of the issues .

Nevertheless, I think this is a brilliant find, congratulations 🏆 !

Chazz Broadhurst20/11/2019 18:19:38
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Hi again Fred. Looking through my envelopes of stamps surplus to requirements I think there are probably various degrees of this, but would really require whole sheets of the stamps to make any progress here. Do you happen to have any spare sheets lying around? (rhetorical question, haha...)

If there is no further info, I personally think any collector of British stamps should consider an example of each as basic to their collection? (not rhetorical... looking for your opinion)


Fred Sellars20/11/2019 20:08:55
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Good evening Chazz,

You state "I think there are probably various degrees of this"

Various degrees of what ?.... Please clarify .

Also which one do you consider to be the variety in your opinion ?


Chazz Broadhurst20/11/2019 20:40:52
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Various degrees of what I think must be retouching to the top of the thistle head. I've just been browsing through the website

where they have many GVI defins displayed in blocks of four. Even with the so-so quality of the pics I can see that there are cases where these two versions are side by side, and possibly even including versions in between.

What is needed is someone with far more research capabilities than I have at my disposal...


Fred Sellars20/11/2019 21:40:35
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So what you are saying is that there are differences to the Thistle head of these values in varying degrees throughout the sheet .

It could be that there are so many variations it is difficult to pinpoint which is the variety and consequently has never been listed as such .

It would be interesting to get some information from a specialist,someone who has studied these particular stamps at first hand to help clarify the situation.

Hoping you get some response from someone in the know !

Regards, Fred.

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