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Kim Tomlinson01/06/2019 06:36:12
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Hello all, I started collecting in the 70's then girl's and car,s took my time and is stopped around 1977, picked it up again around 90-93 and family thing got in way.then a few weeks ago the old collection appeared again in a big sort out of loft, I have the collection in stock books and I want to merge the commemorative's and definitive's into one in date order.

I have only been looking at the pre-decimal definitive's and found that in the GS Cat. (2015) that GS.727 2d lake brown only has the year 1969 and not the date.

Also some have no dates I assume they are 5 June 1976 the same as the header date.

Can anyone help please

Carmen01/06/2019 13:05:38
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Hi Kim! Welcome to the Fora. I have a Scott Catalogue which may help, but I need to know more detail - can you just describe the stamp to me beyond just 2d lake brown? I'll go look it up and see if that helps while you wait for someone else to chime in.

Trevor Bishop 101/06/2019 13:27:10
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Hi Kim ,

I’ve just had a look at the catalogue & it appears that this stamp only differs from 1968 original by a slightly different head as such I suspect that having changed it they just filtered into circulation as post offices ran out & hence they didn’t really know exactly what day it was officially “ issued”.

There are 100’s if not 1000’s of different decimal machins some of which differ only slightly from the original issue and so I expect this will happen again as you work your way through years .

Happy collecting !

Trev

Kim Tomlinson01/06/2019 13:48:45
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Hi Carmen, all I have is in the Stanley Gibbon ‘Collect British Stamps’

727 2d lake-brown (Type II) (2 bands) 1969.  Type II refers to the value position closer to the edge of stamp.

Hi Trev, If this is the case it scuppers my idea or merging the commemorative’s and definitive into one in date order as I would not which commemorative set’s to put it between

Edited By Kim Tomlinson on 01/06/2019 13:51:53

Trevor Bishop 102/06/2019 09:29:16
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Hi Kim ,

Just a thought ; I would keep machins in a separate section( pages ) and then you can work on those as and when you find the various stamps & then the commems will be fairly straight forward to put in according to date .

But that’s just me - I tried putting in the decimal machins in date wise and you soon find that some are only found in booklets , change of phosphor colours , printer etc etc . It’s interesting to a point and indeed some people specialised in them . It would be interesting to know the current total count to date ?

Trev

Kim Tomlinson02/06/2019 10:00:11
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Hi Trev

I am using stock books to keep my stamps and have one set for commemorative's and another for definitive's what with difficulties arising merging them and dates etc,

Now reviewing the info received here looks like I will go back to keeping them apart and definitive's in value order. As they are.

Is the correct term definitive's or machin's?

Paul Davey 102/06/2019 12:44:58
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Hi Kim

definitives are regular stamps that are not commemorating anything.

Machins are named after the designer of the image, Arnold Machin. His design for the head has also been used on definitives from other Commonwealth countries and as the small image which still appears on commemorative stamps.

Simples!

Billy Broadland04/06/2019 14:33:14
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Hi Kim

Just looked in SG Great Britain concise catalogue and only info is date of issue 1969.

Kim Tomlinson04/06/2019 21:01:53
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Thank you for your help. not the result I wanted, but that's the way sometimes.

So with no exact date a possible more problem like this in the decimal era....

I will save them in separate albums.

Again thanks all.

Neil Barrett 306/06/2019 10:53:03
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Posted by Paul Davey 1 on 02/06/2019 12:44:58:

Hi Kim

definitives are regular stamps that are not commemorating anything.

Machins are named after the designer of the image, Arnold Machin. His design for the head has also been used on definitives from other Commonwealth countries and as the small image which still appears on commemorative stamps.

Simples!

Machins are UK definitives from 1968 to today; earlier ones featuring an image of the young Queen are Wildings after the photographer.

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