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28/06/2020 12:06:17

The more I investigate these multiple crown watermarked papers, the more I seem to discover. I am now finding that both the Scottish 4d plain and 2 band phosphors have been printed on what appears to be cream papers, both issued on the 7th of February 1966 and appear to be contrary to the GPO statement/guidelines of 1962.

Here is a scan relating to that fact ! How could these differences not have being noticed in the past ?img_20200628_104327.jpg

Thread: Ultra violet radiation of multiple crown Wilding definitives.
27/06/2020 14:26:11

To discover a stamp that is not listed in a specialised catalogue can be quite a thrill and this seems to be the case with several of my findings over the last few months, and all due to a longwave ultraviolet light used. This next find also gives credence to that fact.

The majority of experienced philatelists will already be aware that the non-watermarked papers of the late 60s and early 70s registered a high fluorescence when subjected to a long wave ultraviolet light due to the type of paper used, classified as being coated by catalogues, but it would also appear that some of the watermarked stamps of the late 60s period have similar attributes but have been side-stepped (for want of a better word) by catalogues.

This next discovery involves the 3d plain originally issued for Wales on the 18th of August 1958 originally printed on a cream paper, later being changed to a whiter one in 1962 attributed to the filtration of the water used to make the paper, followed by the centre violet phosphor band using a similar paper issued on the 16th of May 1967 concluding with the no watermarked coated paper on the 6th of December of the same year.

This find involves the 3d Welsh regional stamp (plain) printed on a highly fluorescent paper that reacts in a similar way to the no watermarked papers and could be easily mistaken for one of them, this is clearly not the case as this paper has a watermark embodied into its structure as can be seen in the scan below, followed by a scan of the same stamp as seen under longwave ultraviolet light alongside a cream paper to the left .

Very few specialists will have obtained this stamp in their collection, so keep an eye open when visiting stamp fairs or stamp shops that you frequent for this little gem !


Edited By Fred Sellars on 27/06/2020 14:29:30

25/06/2020 09:25:04

img_20200625_082149.jpgYou don't have to look far to find omissions in the specialised catalogues, but for these I had to go to Guernsey to find the 4d plain first issued on the 7th of April 1966, the two variances can be seen in normal light on the upper scan, but then under longwave ultraviolet on the scan below.

The stamps on the left appear to be on a cream type paper where the stamps on the right are on a more fluorescent paper, both are listed as whiter papers in the specialised ? Fred.


21/06/2020 10:14:19

It would appear that Stanley Gibbons along with some other catalogues are in denial as to the existence of Wilding definitives printed on a cream paper after 1962, as stated by Mr Frank Walton, but my latest find indicates that this is not the case as well as several other variations previously discovered based on previous scans displayed.

This scan concerns the 1/6d regional issues that appear to have been printed on 3 distinct papers, namely, the no watermark coated, the whiter watermarked paper, and a cream watermarked paper also (but don't exist).

Can anyone still be in denial that cream papers were used and do exist ?

Every picture tells a story, judge for yourself !!!! Your call, Fred.img_20200620_162345.jpg

Thread: The philatelic world of "ODDBALLS"
15/06/2020 09:04:34

Many colour shifts relating to the printing of stamps hardly ever get mentioned in catalogues as usually it is the complete sheet that is affected and not an isolated position on the sheet.

Here is one in question being the 4d value of the 1961 C E P T set often overlooked when checking for a flaw or imperfection. There appears to be a couple of faults on this particular stamp, the most obvious being the upper shift of the outlying dark blue giving a ghost like appearance indicated by the arrows, but if you look closely, North East of the 'T' in the insignia, a section of the pink has also shifted.

Therefore, I have included it as an oddball, worth looking out for !


Thread: How times have changed !
08/06/2020 10:55:35

As an example of my previous statement try entering into your search engine " Bolton post office ", you will notice the address of the county as being " Lancashire ", their information is only 46 years out of date, how many other cock-ups exist throughout the country ?

As with some of the Royal Mail's errors, I suggest you check them out also !

Don't forget which county you live in.

Have a nice day, Fred.

06/06/2020 12:36:13

My doppelganger has written a much clearer and "in-depth" version on these particular papers in the the Great Britain Philatelic Societies QE ll forum that you can read as a guest on the following link :-

It will also enable you to go to different sites within the article posted, should you feel the need to do so.

Have a nice day and stay safe ! Fred.

Thread: How times have changed !
04/06/2020 10:49:06

As a follow-up to my earlier posting :-

Back in 1974 under the local government act of 1972 many county boundaries was amended in the UK, in fact some were amalgamated with other counties and abolished such as Rutland, whilst a few new counties (Greater Manchester) were created.

It would appear that both the GPO and Royal Mail are unaware of this fact, as many of their on-line sites still give their original postal addresses prior to the change over. Take for instance the towns now in Greater Manchester :-

Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Tameside and Wigan, which are all stated to be in Lancashire on some sites with Stockport being located in Cheshire !

Don't they even know their own address ? One would have thought so !

What do they know ? Fred.

04/06/2020 08:11:36

Good morning,

Join the queue Collectra, as there must be so many others like yourself that have come to a similar conclusion regarding collecting commemoratives (if you can call them that !). The definitives are almost as bad and constitute the backbone of British stamp collecting.

There is another matter that also springs to mind being the absence of an email address for which to contact either the Royal mail or the GPO, do they have a complaints department ? They seem to have many sites promoting their products and services but nothing for the latter ! Having read many annotations in the "What do they know" online regarding this issue.

Try and contact them by email over an issue and you will see what I mean, they don't want to know ! But are quite happy as long as you continue to purchase their products and services provided, irrespective of the consequences.

Have a nice day, Fred.

Thread: Ultra violet radiation of multiple crown Wilding definitives.
02/06/2020 10:02:46

Although there is a slight duplication on some of my scans between in this thread and the CREAM Vs WHITE one recently updated, I feel that this posting should join its partner to be read in conjunction on the subject of stamp papers that appears to have been neglected for so many years, thank you, Fred.

02/06/2020 08:56:45

Was it trials or tribulations one must ask with regards to the debacle that happened all those years ago, which apparently has never been disclosed by any of the authorities involved over the variations discovered ?

Continuity of quality along with reputation are of the utmost importance to any producer of goods or services provided, and maybe this is the reason as to why nothing has ever been mentioned before by any of the companies involved in the past with the production of these stamp papers over the last 60 years or so, after all, these papers were produced under supervision of the GPO !

Thread: How times have changed !
31/05/2020 11:39:35

It would appear that there is no end to the ever-increasing postal rates for letters in the UK, as on the 23rd of March it has yet again been increased substantially, the first class rate has gone from 70p to 76p (8•57%) and to a slightly lesser degree, the second class was increased from 61p to 65p (6•56%).

Have peoples wages or pensions gone up in comparison in as many months since the last increase ? I think not.

The Royal Mail's policy to issuing commemoratives does not appear to have changed either, take for instance the latest "Corrie" stamps issued on the 28th of May, again, with various unneeded/unwanted duplicated values, plus the fact that they look more like comic strips rather than postage stamps with their various captions !

This long-lasting and very successful ITV program certainly merits commemorating, but at what cost to the GB collector or dealer in order to fill the coffers of the Royal mail ?

Come on RM get your act together as with Coronation Street, or is it just to satisfy your shareholders ?

I'm sure that I am not alone with my above comments made.

Thankyou, Fred.

Thread: Identifying a Stamp's Country of Issue
31/05/2020 09:01:53

Brill Gill ! I see you have now made several modifications to your original album by removing the two inverted photo's and replacing them with the one originally intended.

Presentation is one of the most important features when displaying an item to be assessed by others, you're learning !

It means that I no longer have to stand on my head to view them 🙃

Should you need to post others in future you will know what to do, it's a learning curve.

Best wishes and have a nice day, Fred.

29/05/2020 08:39:58

It would appear that Mr Frank Leslie Walton (former president of the the Royal philatelic Society London and previous editor of The London philatelist) plus some of the expert committee of the RPSL were invited by Stanley Gibbons to re-write the introductory notes for the last issue of the the GB specialised catalogue vol 3, but unfortunately this was never accomplished, due to the fact that Stanley Gibbons were only prepared to accept discrimination between cream papers prior to the change over in 1962 and whiter papers thereafter, irrespective of any new discoveries that had been made since then including the translucent creams and contaminated ones as well as the fluorescent variety.

Therefore the veil of secrecy still persists to this day !

Edited By Fred Sellars on 29/05/2020 08:43:39

Thread: Identifying a Stamp's Country of Issue
24/05/2020 10:10:55

We all learn from our mistakes Gillian, and the outlandish remark made by Alex towards me deserves an apology, with regards to his insulting behaviour, or does he think he owns this forum and can say just whatever he likes ? Fred.

22/05/2020 17:08:01

Several theories have been made as to the 3 unlisted type of papers that was manufactured from around 1964.

Starting with the comment made by Aubrey Walker( chief chemist for the GPO ) whilst at the Dollis Hill establishment North West London in 1969 that related to the contaminating particles found in some of the paper used to print the lower value multiple crown wildings, and how it could have occurred.

Secondly, the masking technique used to disguise them that created a higher fluorescent paper, and thirdly removal of the fluorescence by oxidation, giving a cream type translucent paper similar to the ones produced prior to 1962.

All of which are quite feasible due to the fact it's all been previously kept under wraps, as back in 1968 Dr John Sugden of Woodstock fame commented during his hunt for information on various papers " as official silence is absolute " .

Need I say more ! Fred.



Edited By Fred Sellars on 22/05/2020 17:09:56

Thread: 1841 Penny Red Plate Number
22/05/2020 13:30:03

Andrew, it's the 3rd one down from your posting, you don't have to book far !

Edited By Fred Sellars on 22/05/2020 13:32:38

22/05/2020 10:37:07


Based on the cancellation used post 1844 it is not an early plate, Paul Davey 1 ( the moderator ) gave a site recommended to help would be platers in a recent posting with the heading of " is my SG8 the rare plate 107 ? " .


Many of the 1d reds do not have identifying marks on them and consequently are difficult to plate.

I suggest that you make this your first place of call, Fred.

16/05/2020 16:10:34

img_20200516_140720.jpgimg_20200516_105530.jpgAt one time, I was very interested in the early line engraved GB stamps, but now of course it's the papers used to print the lower values of the multiple crown Wildings.

I find that many collectors of the penny red don't always realise that it is almost as old as its elderly sister " the penny black " that is around 12 months it's senior, and for a period of time the black plates were used to print some of the early penny reds from plates 1b, 2, 5, 8, 9,10 and 11 originally used for the penny black, the changeover happened in 1841.

This version from the black plates may not be rated as valuable as the penny black being the first postage stamp ever to be issued, but to complete a collection of the penny black, these penny reds are a necessity.

The 2 scans above show such an example when comparing the two, the penny red being on cover with a black " Leeds " maltese cross cancellation posted on the 30th of July 1841 posted from Leeds to Edinburgh, whilst the penny black has a red maltese cross cancellation, with the last scan below showing the reverse of the cover in question.

Much study has been given to the early line engraved issues in the past and many publications made over the years. Fred.img_20200516_105933.jpg

Thread: Becoming a guest with the GBPS
11/05/2020 11:42:05

I previously forgot to mention that once you have downloaded the site, you can then save it to your home screen for future reference without having to keep entering the site address every time, as a shortcut.


Edited By Fred Sellars on 11/05/2020 12:05:42

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